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welcome to night vision radio

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hi everybody welcome to night vision

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I'm Renee Barnett your host really

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excited about tonight's show for a

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number of reasons my guest tonight is a

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photojournalist an international

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photojournalist an investigative

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reporter in the field of

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extraterrestrial related phenomena

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research she's also a widely published

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freelance writer especially in Europe

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she studied extraterrestrial related

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phenomena since 1979 and is on personal

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terms with many of the leading

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researchers in the field from 80 to 86

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she assisted dr. J Allen Hynek we all

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know who that is

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with his UFO investigations and has

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interviewed many top military witnesses

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concerning their involvement in the

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government truth embargo and along that

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line in 1997 she met an interview

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Colonel Philip Corso in Roswell New

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Mexico and became a personal friend and

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confidant of his she was instrumental in

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having his book the day after Roswell

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which she wrote was bill birnes and my

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guest wrote the preface and she had it

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translated into Italian so it was

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wonderful and then she returned to

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Roswell in the summer of 2003 for the

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American debut of her book new revised

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connecting the dots making sense of the

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UFO phenomena she said since written for

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other books all historical interviews

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with important whistleblowers that's why

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I wanted to have her on tonight she

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travels to Rome and currently to Latin

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America but she lives right here in the

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US of A in Boulder Colorado she has a

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master's degree in education teaches

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history and photojournalism and online

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classes in XO politics man what a resume

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so welcome Paula Harris tonight

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hi Paula thank you really went through

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that thank you why what a resume man you

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you you must be a busy busy busy lady

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I'm so happy to have you on and you know

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although you and I've never talked

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before this week you're someone that

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I've followed your work through the

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years because

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my interest in the UFO field and you

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know it's just high time that I had you

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on my show so I do appreciate your

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accepting my invitation thanks so much

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well I love doing it and you caught me

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just as I came back from Italy I came

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back Tuesday I've been over there for a

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month Italy and Spain and I was over

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there for the release of my new book on

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Colonel corstel called conversations

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with Colonel Corso and it because they

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had done it they did it in Italian and

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re-released the day after Roswell and

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the dawn of a new age which is original

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note so there were three course of books

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that I had to do conference on in Rome

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and then I I flew over to Barcelona

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Spain because I'm doing reporting on the

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latin-american contactees in particular

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Ricardo Gonzalez so you know I in the

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last thirty years I've gone from nuts

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and bolts you know research to the

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contact scenario which I wouldn't touch

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in the early days right I know you know

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it's it's funny because as you know I'm

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sure there's this long sort of been a

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divide in the UFO community between you

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know the so called contactees and the

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abductees or the spiritual people the

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spiritual seekers and the what we call

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the nuts and bolts UFO guys do you see a

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convergence coming about because it

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seems like when I look at your work I'm

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sort of seeing that well the only ones

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and my colleagues really that that I'm

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looking at this with this grant Cameron

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and dr. Steven Greer and Colin Andrews

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Colin Andrews who's a good friend just

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started with you know crop circles and

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his book the edge of reality is all

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about consciousness and consciousness

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raising and it's something you know when

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I started talking I'm gonna sound like a

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teacher because I got a list of books

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that people should read

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you know because because they should

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read we always get off the silly

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internet research where if it's become

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entertainment totally and read some of

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the great books that these people have

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written the edge of reality

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if the colon talks about it you know the

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the crop circles that in the beginning

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that there were probably real and even

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the ones that are being made now are

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being inspired by somebody up there and

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he talks about consciousness as being

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the component there and then we've got

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grand Cameron who started with

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presidential stuff presidential UFO

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stuff and his last books are how the

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rock stars were downloaded by the ETS

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including John Lennon the Moody Blues

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David Bowie I mean I had him speak at my

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conference in Laughlin and he blew

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everybody out of the water because he

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moved over into that consciousness

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component and of course my my friend dr.

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Steven Greer I was in his film serious I

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was in the film plus I was a consultant

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on unacknowledged that just came out and

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mind that the consciousness component is

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what we have in common with the ETS and

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that's what needs to happen for for

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contact so you know those colleagues

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have gone there the other ones you know

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have a lot of them are stayed with nuts

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and bolts I mean specially the Roswell

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people are nuts and bolts and documents

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and a lot of the others conspiracy

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theory which you know conspiracy theory

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I've lived to do a lot of situations

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where I know it's true it's just that I

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don't take time to do it because it

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doesn't raise consciousness it's more

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beer based and I'm trying to get away

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from the fear-based ufology that really

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tends to be more entertainment and I'm

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trying to look at the reason for the

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visitations on the planet well that

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that's great to hear I totally get it

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and and I think you know the field of

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ufology like every other research field

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of I've kind of

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involved in could stand a little bit of

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an overhaul in some ways or another and

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I mean there's you're right there's some

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fabulous work that's been done out there

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some books and things but there is sort

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of that you know carnival element

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sometimes that does destroy I always you

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know what I said is you know some of

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these conferences and I won't ever do

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that at Laughlin when you have these

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statues of these gray aliens and you're

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supposed to have your picture taken and

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they're no lobby of some hotel I don't

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think any self-respecting scientist or

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astronomer or Stephen Hawking or anybody

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like that would even walk in the room

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and that's what I'm trying to invite is

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the outside world because it can't be

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just a bunch of people that alike a fan

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base and they all hang out together and

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it because we will never get disclosure

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like that I mean what we want is it we

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want it in the mainstream we don't want

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just it being like a you know everybody

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have a party type thing we want it in

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the mainstream it is and I will state

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this the most important question for

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mankind and when you have all these

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statues in these cartoons and these you

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know t-shirts and all the merchandising

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around it but especially the the statues

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of the gray aliens

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everybody needs suppose next to it puts

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it in a level of not serious study in

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since I have a master's in education

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what I love to see is a university class

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on on on the whole UFO phenomena I'm

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starting with the anthropological

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ancient alien stuff oh you know that's

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really interesting last week I had on

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Chris Hardy dr. Chris Hardy from France

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who you may know and she's done a lot of

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work in which she was at Princeton and

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she's done a lot of work on the sort of

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citchen material on ancient aliens in

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what she's done is sort of that sort of

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psychological and anthropological

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examinations of these characters not

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only in these ancient texts that Sitchin

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talked about these cuneiform texts and

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things

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like that but also in the Bible in other

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religious texts and she sort of did

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personality profiles and things and not

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only on individuals but sort of on the

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cultures of the time and it really helps

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to put things into context that way it's

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very very revealing and it's interesting

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work that I hadn't really seen anybody

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do to the extent that she's working on

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that but I couldn't agree with you more

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I see your work and this conference that

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you have coming up I think this is what

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the fourth year now for the story yeah

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and it it's basically scene based last

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year it was music art in UFOs and we had

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about the download of the we had people

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you know performing music from South

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America the we had an art shuttle and

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you'd mentioned Paul Davis we had his

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art on the wall and and it's still fun

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but it's fun in a serious kind of

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cultural way and we have a red carpet

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this is the aquarius hotel in in

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Laughlin Nevada it's kind of the old you

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know I started by the first couple years

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bringing Bob Brown and and he'll be back

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this year just as a friend trying to

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because I was on the board of directors

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of the hola UFO so I wanted to go back

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to the Aquarius and and so it seemed

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bass number one it's only three days but

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we have a gala dinner and we have

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cocktail party

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that's not extra it's part of it with

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Georgia narrative coast-to-coast and in

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this year George and this year's theme

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is time for truth so for the first time

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we're going to put Clifford stone on

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stage and have George question him and

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you know he's crash retrieval

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I was instrumental and having his book

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eyes only published and and this is a

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man who did 12 crash retrievals he's

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darn serious I mean there's nothing

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entertaining about doing crash retrieval

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and you know and communicating with live

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aliens so he's going to be you know the

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focus and it's and then we had talked

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about this I really really want to

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promote women in ufology and in this

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field so there's always nine men and

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nine women or it may be fewer women in

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the future because they're so hard to

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find but I you know I'm kind of tired of

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saw your yeah and I laughed I literally

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was sitting there by myself and I

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laughed out loud when you said I'm tired

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of seeing 39 men in Linda Moulton Howe

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and I thought how true is that

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especially back in the day you know and

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I guess it's still true and I was

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thinking Oh French parliament he's you

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know president you know she's amazing

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she's absolutely great but what happens

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when you know we're almost the same age

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I mean what happens when we're not here

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are there no more women I mean what's

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gonna happen is going to be a

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male-dominated field only have to like

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can the baton to future women don't we

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have to like encourage women to get

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involved it and so I really I'm really

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encouraging women to get involved in the

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field in whichever way they they can in

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a very serious way you know in other

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words information not just contactees

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and so forth because it traditionally

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has been women that have been abducted

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or contactees in that but there has

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there has to be some scholars some

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researchers some you know this year we

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have an incredible astrologer from New

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York City who writes plays in that

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feather area and she's she just amazing

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and so I've incorporated some of that

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and Andrea Peron is the author

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of house of darkness house of light

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around which the conjuring movie was

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made and she's there and then of course

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Regina Meredith from Gaia television

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that you know Andrea just loved the UFO

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question and she's passionate about

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disclosure and she was like one of my

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greatest proponents for when we had

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Steve Steve acids because she supported

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him a 100% so the people in the

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paranormal field of come on board to

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work with disclosure issues also and I

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you know and kind of made one big happy

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family out of all of them and and

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they're really surprised that they can

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all and what's one of the requirements

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even of the speakers that they sit and

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listen to each other's lectures because

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if this isn't about doing your show and

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walking it out you don't learn anything

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like that you you want to you want to be

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with a group of people and just get

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excited about what they're doing and and

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this is what I want to really really

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work with is a dialogue or a roundtable

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or I have to usually I have two panels

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where they're all discussing things and

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and and not just you know promoting

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their own book but discussing an issue

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like how can we change the paradigm how

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can we have more consciousness based

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learning the questions are like very

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profound and and so it's really

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stimulating the people that come out of

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the starwars Laughlin conference and

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this happened last year they signed up

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the following year right on the spot

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versus webcast and and they go we want

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we want more of this this is like

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different this is like you know we all

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feel a part of this this new paradigm we

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want to make a change of whether it be

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you because I will tell you right here

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and now that the message is coming out

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of Latin America with the ETS that are

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walking off the ships and speaking to

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contact these are that there's going to

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be an ecological disaster that we have

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problems on this planet ecologically and

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and you know and also

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conflictual II and it's a geopolitical

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problem and you know we ought to know

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that that they they're still watching

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the planet because the planet is not

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settled hmm

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no it's very very unsettled in fact you

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know I know it seems like every every

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during every period it always seems like

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all things are terrible you know and

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they've never been this bad and you know

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the world's going to end or or whatever

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but you know I've lived long enough now

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to have experienced you know several

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different periods of life and I do feel

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like it's very very chaotic and very

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messed up and I just saw an article I

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think it was yesterday where or maybe

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it's even this morning where Antarctica

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is getting ready to break off in in

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hours literally hours or days and you

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know to obviously do - you know the

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ecology and climate change and whatever

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so these things are even he has closer

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to home because I was just in Europe and

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June was the hottest month they've ever

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experienced and that usually happens in

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August so they're starting to ration

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water they're starting to ration water

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and for Italians they're not used to

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rationing anything so it's like yeah you

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can't use water and in Spain it was so

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hot and apart from all of that I think

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that what they were what the ETS want or

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what they what the cosmic cultures want

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is us to kind of evolved to a situation

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where we take care of the planet just

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like the Native Americans believed we

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take care of ourselves we evolve those

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people and then we can have some kind of

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dialogue with them they're not

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interested in speaking to us the way we

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are now can you imagine imagine if they

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if they came here highly evolved I mean

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they would have to be otherwise because

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they'd probably been through all these

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periods their plants have been destroyed

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they've gone through all this and

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somehow they're able to get

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here and I'm talking about human type

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aliens and that is what my research has

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been the last two years I had when I

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started doing presentations I start from

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George Van Tassel Adamski Howard meander

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in Europe you know who genius to the

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coos of the friendship case in Italy

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dumps down in Latin America you know see

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still pauses and that Rama group all

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these are human type people they

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encountered human type people that came

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off ships that said hey you guys are you

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know distantly related to us will you

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please get a clue we we are going to

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come down and save you but we would you

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wake up or flying over we're not on

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vacation

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hmm is there if there could they

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intervene if they wanted to would

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there's it well I think they already

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have in one of my speakers last year was

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Turkish researcher Essen Sakura and she

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told me and she showed and I knew this

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anyway in several instances were meteors

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have fallen on the earth UFOs have been

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in to to kind of destroy them into

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little pieces so they don't take out a

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whole entire city if they're shutting

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down missiles in 1969 at maelstrom they

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are shutting down missiles with nuclear

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war you know nuclear warheads and it you

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may consider that an act of war but most

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of us consider that an act of peace

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they're all pointed at Russia you know

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these missiles with nuclear warheads and

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I think that that you know and if you

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look at the history of ufology and study

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it and I've interviewed so many people a

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lot of the sightings of pilots have are

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over nuclear installations nuclear power

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plants even the one in Stephenville

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Texas has had a nuclear power plant

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right there it's it's their way of

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intervening without intervening in other

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words it's their way of saying look

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we're here we're watching this it's

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dangerous you know please understand

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that that no if you're watching us and

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look at where we are I have on my

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facebook an article about UFOs and

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Afghanistan and Jaime mal found who is a

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regular speaker at my conferences brings

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all kinds of footage from abroad every

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year and there over war areas where

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we're fighting wars like Ukraine he had

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five different different videos of UFOs

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over the Ukraine you know and again

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about the I always joke about they're

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not on vacation but as investigative

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journalists I look for patterns and that

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is a pattern there over war zones there

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overall where things could happen and so

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I think I mean it's a very dynamic study

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Renee I mean it's interesting especially

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if you if you study all of it oh

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absolutely it's it's it is very exciting

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and I'm glad to see that your conference

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is sort of aiming in that direction and

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it's really exciting now that's in

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November in Laughlin at the eleven

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when of people say when is that I go

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just remember I'm living eleven that's

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right that's an easy way well

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well we'll take a break in just a few

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minutes and I want to definitely get

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into your new book about your

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conversations with with Colonel Corso

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because I think that's really really

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interesting I remember when the book day

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after Roswell came out I think it was in

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1996 or so maybe or maybe I'm wrong

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about that but it seems like which is

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1997 and okay yeah yeah because happened

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247 so it was exactly 20 years ago cuz

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this is the 70th anniversary of the rush

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that's crazy well then when I was

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working at strange universe the TV show

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and I remember that book coming and I I

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knew bill burns speak

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I had been at UFO magazine for several

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years and that was the same time that he

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was taking that over so I read that book

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with interest and I've often wondered

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you know if there was more to know and

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if we would ever hear any more and so I

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was excited to hear about your book and

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hopefully you'll give us some

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revelations from that book a little bit

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later but before we go to the break in a

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few minutes could you tell me how is it

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that you became interested in the UFO

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field did you have an experience have

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you did you see something did what grew

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your attention I know you worked with

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with dr. Hynek but what drew you to him

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the movie I was I was movie I've since

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been to Devil's Tower so last year that

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what happened to was I watched the movie

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I was young mother with two kids and

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well I was teaching science fiction

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because I'm an English teacher and I saw

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the movie and at the end of the movie

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there's the scene with Francois Truffaut

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who was the director representing Jack

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valet and there was this contact between

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these beings and am you know it gives

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that smile and the being raises our hand

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and I started to cry I had an emotional

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to the movie and I and I said how do I

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you know look at this movie is it real

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and so I was at a wedding and I was you

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know Illinois and I heard about the

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Center for UFO studies and I thought let

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me go in there I mean nobody will be

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there like Hynek will be there for sure

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I just want to see what it's like in

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there and sure enough he was there it

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came from around the corner with his

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pipe and he said I hear you speak

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Italian and you were born in Italy would

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you like to work with me and and he said

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he then you know sent me a typewriter

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all the files

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and that I was supposed to work on and

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yeah and I knew it was real so I you

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know it's like I see the people this is

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not like I do believe there's no belief

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this isn't religion like I knew it was

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really work for Bluebook what God he

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worked for the Air Force I was looking

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at the file that was real I mean and so

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I thought oh this is real so I started

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with the best teacher in the world oh

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absolutely that's amazing that you you

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had that opportunity and really as a

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novice at the time you just seen a movie

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and you got interested and you looked

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them up and it must have been it must

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have been fate you know for you to for

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you to do this because look how that

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changed the course of your life just

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really interesting you know who knows

544
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:10,690
what course you would have taken maybe

545
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:13,210
you would have continued on and done

546
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:15,010
your studies in the field of ufology

547
00:26:20,430 --> 00:26:18,010
anyway but my goodness to have that

548
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:20,440
opportunity to work with dr. Hynek and

549
00:26:25,410 --> 00:26:23,770
it was all all started with you watching

550
00:26:28,110 --> 00:26:25,420
the movie Close Encounters of the Third

551
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:28,120
Kind really interesting yeah I've heard

552
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,170
Steven Spielberg had some ideas you know

553
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:33,760
about it and of course they get you know

554
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:37,510
as you know consult with Jacques Vallee

555
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:39,850
and actually had a character in the film

556
00:26:47,150 --> 00:26:44,170
that was based on him very prominent in

557
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,160
the film the the French scientists and

558
00:26:52,620 --> 00:26:49,840
it was really good I remember having a

559
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:52,630
similar reaction to that film when I saw

560
00:26:57,299 --> 00:26:55,690
it for the first time when it first came

561
00:26:59,640 --> 00:26:57,309
out I went to the theater went to an

562
00:27:02,700 --> 00:26:59,650
afternoon matinee with my mother who was

563
00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:02,710
out here visiting me in Los Angeles at

564
00:27:09,330 --> 00:27:04,300
the time from Oklahoma and where I'm

565
00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:09,340
from and we took my two kids and went

566
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:13,750
and saw the the film and it was it was

567
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:17,410
very touching and I think because one of

568
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:19,570
the characters and forgive me I can't

569
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:22,210
remember the the woman's name and it was

570
00:27:28,740 --> 00:27:25,600
a mom and she ended up you know getting

571
00:27:31,050 --> 00:27:28,750
so into it I think it was easy easier

572
00:27:32,850 --> 00:27:31,060
for me to relate to and it was just like

573
00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:32,860
okay these are like real people and this

574
00:27:38,499 --> 00:27:34,190
is happening and they're getting

575
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:38,509
that thing that we regard the Aries I

576
00:27:45,249 --> 00:27:41,450
regard yeah yeah she was Richard

577
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:45,259
Dreyfuss you know life in that and and

578
00:27:49,690 --> 00:27:47,450
and what's so interesting about that

579
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,700
film is because you know I've been

580
00:27:54,730 --> 00:27:51,679
connecting dots for 30 years I'm

581
00:27:56,529 --> 00:27:54,740
studying this and I do study it I mean I

582
00:27:59,320 --> 00:27:56,539
read everybody's book I got three

583
00:28:01,570 --> 00:27:59,330
hundred books here and though I mean

584
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:01,580
everything that comes out so that I read

585
00:28:05,049 --> 00:28:03,110
other people's research I think that's

586
00:28:08,049 --> 00:28:05,059
one of the reasons we're having problems

587
00:28:10,509 --> 00:28:08,059
is that researchers aren't reading other

588
00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:10,519
people's research aren't doing you know

589
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:12,440
like a real study of it but going back

590
00:28:19,330 --> 00:28:15,529
to that that I learned that that there's

591
00:28:22,090 --> 00:28:19,340
some kind of hypnotic suggestion or some

592
00:28:25,180 --> 00:28:22,100
kind of messaging that the contact he's

593
00:28:27,460 --> 00:28:25,190
get you know because you remember the

594
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:27,470
Devils Tower kept coming up in drawings

595
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,080
that get coming up every which way it

596
00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:32,720
was like an obsession and I think that

597
00:28:37,180 --> 00:28:34,460
that that's very interesting

598
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,190
even on a psychological level that

599
00:28:41,649 --> 00:28:39,200
should be studied how these contactees

600
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,659
get these ideas about going certain

601
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:43,360
places or about doing certain things

602
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:47,360
these suggestions they get yeah yeah

603
00:28:53,379 --> 00:28:51,769
they're very very interesting and well

604
00:28:55,710 --> 00:28:53,389
we're going to talk about that and more

605
00:28:58,539 --> 00:28:55,720
after the break going to get into the

606
00:29:02,169 --> 00:28:58,549
Colonel Corso material which I find

607
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:02,179
really interesting and exciting and see

608
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:05,120
what I will learn that we don't know and

609
00:29:09,340 --> 00:29:07,279
also we're gonna tell you how to get

610
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:09,350
that book so you can read about all of

611
00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:12,110
it so when we come back more with Paola

612
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:17,200
welcome back to night vision I'm your

613
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:19,369
host Renee Barnett and if you're just

614
00:29:23,249 --> 00:29:21,049
joining us we've been talking tonight

615
00:29:27,099 --> 00:29:23,259
with powwow Harris she's a

616
00:29:31,060 --> 00:29:27,109
photojournalist an author a UFO

617
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,070
phenomena researcher and she's also the

618
00:29:35,859 --> 00:29:33,919
producer of the star works conference

619
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:35,869
and the next one is coming up in

620
00:29:43,810 --> 00:29:41,330
November 1111 in Laughlin Nevada so if

621
00:29:46,769 --> 00:29:43,820
you want to peruse that while we're

622
00:29:50,229 --> 00:29:46,779
talking that's that website is Starworks

623
00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:50,239
usa.com have a look at it and get over

624
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:51,830
there if you can I'm gonna definitely

625
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,289
try to make it this year because it

626
00:30:00,099 --> 00:29:57,200
sounds really really interesting we were

627
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:00,109
talking about a little bit about Colonel

628
00:30:08,169 --> 00:30:02,960
Corso and the time that you spent with

629
00:30:11,379 --> 00:30:08,179
him and I was wondering you know do you

630
00:30:14,109 --> 00:30:11,389
feel that you were able to go further

631
00:30:17,619 --> 00:30:14,119
with him and get more information than

632
00:30:21,879 --> 00:30:17,629
what we might have learned in the the

633
00:30:23,889 --> 00:30:21,889
book day after Roswell I've heard that

634
00:30:26,649 --> 00:30:23,899
there was a you know maybe some

635
00:30:29,349 --> 00:30:26,659
difference in what we actually were able

636
00:30:32,940 --> 00:30:29,359
to learn or maybe he just later on came

637
00:30:35,259 --> 00:30:32,950
out with more information did you feel

638
00:30:37,869 --> 00:30:35,269
let me give you some background because

639
00:30:40,299 --> 00:30:37,879
people are very aware that this is a

640
00:30:43,180 --> 00:30:40,309
70th anniversary because the rods will

641
00:30:46,749 --> 00:30:43,190
happen in 1947 right the day after

642
00:30:49,810 --> 00:30:46,759
Roswell came out in 1997 which was the

643
00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:49,820
50th anniversary and so he was the big

644
00:30:56,229 --> 00:30:52,460
star there I mean this came out I think

645
00:30:57,999 --> 00:30:56,239
I was in Italy my boss sent me over to

646
00:30:59,710 --> 00:30:58,009
cover the story and of course I wasn't

647
00:31:01,299 --> 00:30:59,720
ready I didn't even know current of

648
00:31:04,269 --> 00:31:01,309
course will look like I didn't know

649
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:04,279
anything about the book and I I wasn't

650
00:31:10,450 --> 00:31:06,529
ready in my book I talk about the

651
00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:10,460
serendipity events that that led to my

652
00:31:16,089 --> 00:31:13,070
relationship with the colonel and the

653
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:16,099
the thing is that at that time everybody

654
00:31:21,159 --> 00:31:17,840
in the world was there I mean we had

655
00:31:24,369 --> 00:31:21,169
John Mac and we'll East River and and

656
00:31:27,070 --> 00:31:24,379
Linda and and oh God everybody was there

657
00:31:28,570 --> 00:31:27,080
but Hopkins everybody was there because

658
00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:28,580
the 50th anniversary

659
00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:31,660
but Colonel Corso was really the the

660
00:31:38,650 --> 00:31:34,160
curiosity was I think it even made a

661
00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:38,660
Time magazine cover because the and I

662
00:31:43,270 --> 00:31:41,030
ended up and this is like this starts my

663
00:31:45,070 --> 00:31:43,280
book my life was Colonel Carson that I

664
00:31:47,650 --> 00:31:45,080
ended up in the room next to Colonel

665
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:47,660
Corso when the whole place was sold out

666
00:31:54,490 --> 00:31:50,240
I got the room next to him at the very

667
00:31:56,170 --> 00:31:54,500
last minute night if you've been

668
00:31:59,140 --> 00:31:56,180
thinking about updating your old

669
00:32:01,420 --> 00:31:59,150
appliances now's the time because now at

670
00:32:03,460 --> 00:32:01,430
Lowe's you'll find great deals like up

671
00:32:05,620 --> 00:32:03,470
to forty percent off select appliance

672
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:05,630
special values that's up to forty

673
00:32:09,610 --> 00:32:07,730
percent off some of the best brand-name

674
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:09,620
appliances with all the bells and

675
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:12,080
whistles to help bring your kitchen and

676
00:32:15,730 --> 00:32:14,690
laundry room up to date all projects

677
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:15,740
have a starting point

678
00:32:18,850 --> 00:32:17,690
start with Lowe's thousand six twenty

679
00:32:21,420 --> 00:32:18,860
one through seven twelve us only

680
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:21,430
exclusions applied see store for details

681
00:32:28,990 --> 00:32:26,720
and from that a you know precedence yeah

682
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:29,000
I know I couldn't believe it everybody

683
00:32:32,620 --> 00:32:30,500
was trying to get them and he was in

684
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:32,630
Myra it was in the room next to me so I

685
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:34,310
was able to get an interview because he

686
00:32:39,490 --> 00:32:35,510
just walked out of the room and walked

687
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:39,500
into my room but the the thing about the

688
00:32:44,890 --> 00:32:42,320
the importance of this Renee was that

689
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:44,900
this man who did work at research and

690
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:46,730
development in the Pentagon in the

691
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:51,200
nineteen sixties was given was given the

692
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:54,080
artifacts from the Roswell crash to back

693
00:32:59,620 --> 00:32:57,890
engineer and and back engineer to take

694
00:33:02,970 --> 00:32:59,630
two companies which is the

695
00:33:05,740 --> 00:33:02,980
military-industrial complex to copy and

696
00:33:08,460 --> 00:33:05,750
in nineteen fifty is really late

697
00:33:11,470 --> 00:33:08,470
considering that the first crash of 1947

698
00:33:14,590 --> 00:33:11,480
so some of his detractors say well all

699
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:14,600
that stuff the night vision component

700
00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:17,090
the transistor the fiber optics the high

701
00:33:22,090 --> 00:33:19,640
tenacity fibers were already in the

702
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:22,100
mainstream well of course if you have

703
00:33:29,050 --> 00:33:24,890
the army in the Air Force being one unit

704
00:33:31,090 --> 00:33:29,060
in in 1947 and they split off in 1948

705
00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:31,100
the Air Force is going to give some of

706
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:32,390
that stuff and they're going to start

707
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:35,930
back engineering way before the army did

708
00:33:41,850 --> 00:33:38,770
and so it's already they're already

709
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:41,860
playing with that before the

710
00:33:47,070 --> 00:33:43,809
you know that of course Oh got it from

711
00:33:49,710 --> 00:33:47,080
general Trudeau in the in geologically

712
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:49,720
people use their logic when you have

713
00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:51,910
these crashes and there was not just one

714
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:55,870
crash I mean in my in my recent book I

715
00:34:01,200 --> 00:33:58,960
talked about the 1945 crashing in San

716
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:01,210
Antonio New Mexico which spent five

717
00:34:07,710 --> 00:34:03,490
years researching there are many many

718
00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:07,720
crashes when you get a craft you are not

719
00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:09,790
going to throw it in the garbage you are

720
00:34:13,619 --> 00:34:11,550
not going to throw all that stuff away

721
00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:13,629
logically you're not going to do that

722
00:34:18,090 --> 00:34:15,580
you're going to try to figure out how it

723
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:18,100
slides what's inside what's the use of

724
00:34:22,859 --> 00:34:20,889
it so the detractors would say well a

725
00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:22,869
lot of that you know like the transition

726
00:34:30,690 --> 00:34:26,500
was already in the in the in the you

727
00:34:32,909 --> 00:34:30,700
know main in in they were already

728
00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:32,919
playing with it we're already using if

729
00:34:36,780 --> 00:34:34,990
they were already experimenting with it

730
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:36,790
it should look at the fact that the Army

731
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:39,970
near for split in 1948 now of course oh

732
00:34:45,629 --> 00:34:42,609
god these things from General Trudeau

733
00:34:47,940 --> 00:34:45,639
and what happened was he was general to

734
00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:47,950
del Corso were very close because Corso

735
00:34:53,399 --> 00:34:50,230
did the Korean War II new general

736
00:34:56,190 --> 00:34:53,409
macarthur parcel was a heavy hitter he's

737
00:34:59,220 --> 00:34:56,200
not just somebody off the street he's a

738
00:35:01,680 --> 00:34:59,230
military man who worked in intelligence

739
00:35:04,020 --> 00:35:01,690
in rome in 1945 when we brought him to

740
00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:04,030
rome i I dragged him all over the city

741
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:06,280
so he could tell me where his office was

742
00:35:10,290 --> 00:35:08,290
where he he you know where his

743
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:10,300
headquarters were I took him to all the

744
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:12,910
places that he said he worked in and he

745
00:35:17,420 --> 00:35:15,520
told the truth and he was telling the

746
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:17,430
truth plus we researched his background

747
00:35:24,420 --> 00:35:21,010
so as the head of intelligence he had

748
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:24,430
intelligence background and in 1945 he

749
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:27,910
was at 47 he was at Fort Riley Kansas

750
00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:30,490
and at the back of the book I have all

751
00:35:36,330 --> 00:35:33,700
his records of where he was and he says

752
00:35:40,349 --> 00:35:36,340
he was at Fort Riley Kansas in 47 it

753
00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:40,359
says Fort Riley Kansas 1947 when a cargo

754
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:42,790
came by that was put in the veterinary

755
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:44,530
quarters and he went there and one of

756
00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:47,650
the the cases had a being in there

757
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:50,440
floating in liquid and he talks about

758
00:35:55,650 --> 00:35:53,680
that he said that he saw it and he put

759
00:35:58,049 --> 00:35:55,660
the you know the top down and

760
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,059
in the back of his mind for later usage

761
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:00,400
and he said that what was coming across

762
00:36:07,289 --> 00:36:04,480
Fort Riley came from Roswell area may

763
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:07,299
not have been the exact being but I mean

764
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:11,200
evidently there were many crashes so he

765
00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:13,210
that was his first

766
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:21,640
this UFO situation and then later on in

767
00:36:26,329 --> 00:36:25,210
life in 1960 Trudeau who knew him very

768
00:36:30,859 --> 00:36:26,339
well

769
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:30,869
gave him the responsibility of taking

770
00:36:37,260 --> 00:36:33,609
these artifacts that were given to him

771
00:36:39,029 --> 00:36:37,270
to big companies asking any names them

772
00:36:41,490 --> 00:36:39,039
and in the book I I named what he told

773
00:36:44,549 --> 00:36:41,500
me where he took them and he said he

774
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:44,559
took envelopes full of money to pay

775
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:46,089
these companies so there will be no

776
00:36:52,140 --> 00:36:48,910
paper trail in other words the army

777
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:52,150
would give these companies and one

778
00:36:56,579 --> 00:36:53,920
example for you which would be really

779
00:36:59,299 --> 00:36:56,589
good is the night screening device which

780
00:37:01,740 --> 00:36:59,309
was the lens of the being the bit that

781
00:37:04,529 --> 00:37:01,750
circular lens the being had which

782
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:04,539
everybody thinks is the I was a night

783
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,210
screaming lens which collected light and

784
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:09,520
he said he used to play with that

785
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:11,410
because they you walk up and down the

786
00:37:16,349 --> 00:37:13,450
halls of the Pentagon and could see in

787
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:16,359
the dark so you know these are you know

788
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,650
if they're if they're doing night

789
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:19,599
screening and this is the army all

790
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:22,930
remember its own the army he developed

791
00:37:27,390 --> 00:37:24,970
these things and in the book which

792
00:37:29,849 --> 00:37:27,400
people I added that he talked to me

793
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:29,859
about the German scientists that worked

794
00:37:33,539 --> 00:37:31,839
with him he mentioned oberus and he

795
00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:33,549
mentioned a Tsar bucker

796
00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:36,700
and so my book is based on audio tapes

797
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,190
of conversations we had with him in

798
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:42,160
Italy my boss and I'm outtie to Biot I

799
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:44,650
and and when I was alone I taped him

800
00:37:50,970 --> 00:37:47,529
because I never remember all this and so

801
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:50,980
I got his exact words in the book of

802
00:37:57,690 --> 00:37:54,210
things he'd say like you know he go to

803
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:57,700
Bell Labs or whatever and take whatever

804
00:38:03,539 --> 00:38:00,640
he was taking the transistor or whatever

805
00:38:07,049 --> 00:38:03,549
and he would see how far they came and

806
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:07,059
if they would he said first developed it

807
00:38:10,410 --> 00:38:09,010
for the use of war and

808
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:10,420
there's one thing he was very sad about

809
00:38:15,390 --> 00:38:12,880
he said he said the greatest gift that

810
00:38:17,730 --> 00:38:15,400
was given to humanity was the alien body

811
00:38:20,610 --> 00:38:17,740
the the being which he called a

812
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:20,620
biological entity it was not it was a

813
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:22,570
little machine it was clone it was a

814
00:38:29,970 --> 00:38:27,090
clone and in my book he he has the

815
00:38:34,650 --> 00:38:29,980
description that it had four lobes in

816
00:38:38,250 --> 00:38:34,660
the brain it had two chips in the in two

817
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:38,260
of the lobes it had one long it had and

818
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:41,890
it talks about one very small heart it

819
00:38:47,730 --> 00:38:44,890
was created to fly the ship and there's

820
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:47,740
also a drawing there that he had because

821
00:38:53,550 --> 00:38:50,170
he said on the hand was like suction

822
00:38:55,950 --> 00:38:53,560
cups so that this being and this being

823
00:38:58,380 --> 00:38:55,960
also were a band around its head a

824
00:39:00,090 --> 00:38:58,390
silver band and he added that they had

825
00:39:01,770 --> 00:39:00,100
quite a few of them at the Pentagon so

826
00:39:05,730 --> 00:39:01,780
I'm wondering about how much they're

827
00:39:08,070 --> 00:39:05,740
really you know telling us and he said

828
00:39:09,690 --> 00:39:08,080
that these disband would go around the

829
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:09,700
being said and the being would be one

830
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:11,290
with the craft and would fly the craft

831
00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:13,980
is like blind the craft with your mind

832
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:16,990
and so he talked about all of these

833
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:22,450
details and about his role is going into

834
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:24,970
these companies and asking that these

835
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:28,810
things be first for the use of the army

836
00:39:33,810 --> 00:39:31,510
and then given to the general public and

837
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:33,820
there's details I mean he tells me about

838
00:39:39,930 --> 00:39:37,290
a pen that could suture and cut that

839
00:39:44,070 --> 00:39:39,940
physicians could use that were that yet

840
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:44,080
it was like a laser pen and so there's

841
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:45,730
all these details in there about the

842
00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:48,730
actual artifacts and I really want to

843
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:51,190
stress if people want to read his real

844
00:39:57,870 --> 00:39:54,160
notes and have he had contact with a

845
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,880
being in white sands in in the missile

846
00:40:03,120 --> 00:39:59,920
range at White Sands at near red canyon

847
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:03,130
they want to read that they his real

848
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:06,880
notes as its on open minds TV you have

849
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:09,250
to download it the name of the book is

850
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:11,770
the dawn of a new age that is his real

851
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:15,240
manuscript so when he came to Italy in

852
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:17,440
1997 because I invited him to a

853
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:19,690
conference he gave us that manuscript

854
00:40:24,490 --> 00:40:22,370
and we printed the book in Italian

855
00:40:26,290 --> 00:40:24,500
and the people that were back here that

856
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,300
we're reading the day after Roscoe were

857
00:40:30,940 --> 00:40:28,160
complaining about mistakes that were in

858
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:30,950
there and those were not his original

859
00:40:35,650 --> 00:40:33,110
notes I mean what he was talking about

860
00:40:37,690 --> 00:40:35,660
her things that he was involved in but

861
00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:37,700
he was never at Rob Lowe he was at Fort

862
00:40:46,330 --> 00:40:42,350
Riley Kansas in 1947 so Carol core so

863
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:46,340
you know basically was important for

864
00:40:53,410 --> 00:40:50,240
this reason that I never understood what

865
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:53,420
the value of the secrecy was and why

866
00:40:57,250 --> 00:40:55,250
everything was being kept secret I

867
00:40:59,500 --> 00:40:57,260
thought oh it's the church

868
00:41:01,900 --> 00:40:59,510
it's the downfall of society or they're

869
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,910
afraid about the aliens they think

870
00:41:06,370 --> 00:41:03,680
they're monsters or something you know I

871
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:06,380
I thought that's their secret no the

872
00:41:12,820 --> 00:41:10,400
secret is economic and its economic I

873
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:12,830
mean because at night if we have the

874
00:41:18,580 --> 00:41:14,930
ability to have free energy as Steven

875
00:41:19,810 --> 00:41:18,590
Greer says yeah since 1950 you know it's

876
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:19,820
going to bring down our whole economic

877
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:22,490
system because these things do not fly

878
00:41:28,540 --> 00:41:25,130
on oil and gas of course there was the

879
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:28,550
turning point so for me kernel Corsa was

880
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:29,810
the turning point because they

881
00:41:35,020 --> 00:41:33,650
understood the secrecy why it at the

882
00:41:37,660 --> 00:41:35,030
United States's I don't think any

883
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:37,670
president could ever stand up front of

884
00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:40,010
everybody say UFOs exist we have all the

885
00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:41,900
technology we're just keeping it on the

886
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,120
back burner till the time to use a bit

887
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:46,400
that's illogical that's never going to

888
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:49,760
happen so that's why there's secrecy

889
00:41:54,070 --> 00:41:51,650
around this subject and also why they

890
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:54,080
love whoever's managing the subject

891
00:41:58,660 --> 00:41:56,570
loves for people under fear and talk

892
00:42:01,480 --> 00:41:58,670
just about abductions and that's it our

893
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:01,490
show the little gray alien which trail

894
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:03,110
pourcel said they were more afraid of

895
00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:05,810
who created that little clone than the

896
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:07,670
clone because they were afraid that

897
00:42:13,630 --> 00:42:09,650
whoever created it was walking the halls

898
00:42:18,070 --> 00:42:13,640
of the Pentagon mm-hmm because we're

899
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,080
people yeah human I mean they're human

900
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:20,240
lucky most everything that I studied

901
00:42:24,820 --> 00:42:22,850
from the fifties to today there's these

902
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,830
people they come off ships they walk

903
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:26,720
there they're normal they're you know

904
00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:28,850
they're they're human looking and I

905
00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:31,910
think that it's very comfortable for us

906
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:34,040
to be fear-based so we look bond with

907
00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:36,710
those people and if there he comes

908
00:42:40,780 --> 00:42:39,140
to have it be in the realm of

909
00:42:43,870 --> 00:42:40,790
entertainment because then we don't take

910
00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:43,880
it seriously so you know it's very

911
00:42:50,310 --> 00:42:48,230
difficult this this whole UFO you know

912
00:42:53,609 --> 00:42:50,320
subject matter if it's not studied

913
00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:53,619
academically it's it gets the crazy

914
00:43:00,010 --> 00:42:57,710
crazy it really does I mean you know

915
00:43:02,349 --> 00:43:00,020
it's funny I mean I'm sure you're

916
00:43:06,310 --> 00:43:02,359
absolutely right there's got to be an

917
00:43:07,690 --> 00:43:06,320
economic reason for it otherwise we

918
00:43:11,410 --> 00:43:07,700
would have known about it a long time

919
00:43:13,450 --> 00:43:11,420
ago and I had a conversation with dr.

920
00:43:16,690 --> 00:43:13,460
Greer a couple years ago we were talking

921
00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:16,700
on the phone and he said that same thing

922
00:43:23,410 --> 00:43:19,790
he said do you really really think that

923
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:23,420
we need these heavy you know jet fuel

924
00:43:30,579 --> 00:43:28,730
engines to to power our spacecraft he

925
00:43:34,540 --> 00:43:30,589
said but the reason that we're not

926
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,550
seeing the the free energy use is

927
00:43:38,530 --> 00:43:36,560
because then people would start to say

928
00:43:41,950 --> 00:43:38,540
well then why can't I use that to power

929
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:41,960
my car why can't I use that to power my

930
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:44,720
home because then you know the cat would

931
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:47,210
be out of the bag and there would be no

932
00:43:52,030 --> 00:43:50,210
more excuses no more excuses but you

933
00:43:55,870 --> 00:43:52,040
know the thing of it is it would cause

934
00:44:00,970 --> 00:43:55,880
an economic shift of some kind but I do

935
00:44:03,609 --> 00:44:00,980
believe as we've seen in some cases the

936
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:03,619
the jobs and other things that would be

937
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:08,210
developed with the new business of free

938
00:44:13,780 --> 00:44:11,330
energy the new you know figuring out how

939
00:44:16,030 --> 00:44:13,790
to harness it and you know like solar

940
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:16,040
power that we're we're seeing so much of

941
00:44:21,609 --> 00:44:19,280
now and the in the big you know wind

942
00:44:24,670 --> 00:44:21,619
turbines and things like that that you

943
00:44:27,970 --> 00:44:24,680
see out in the California desert and all

944
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:27,980
over France to power homes and

945
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:28,730
businesses

946
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,290
so if but if if that came on a mass

947
00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:34,880
scale yeah I could see it would

948
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:37,160
certainly upset the applecart and ruin

949
00:44:42,730 --> 00:44:39,410
the business of certain people who are

950
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:42,740
in power right now and so that's

951
00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:44,930
probably why we don't see it not that it

952
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:46,760
would cause us all to go into an

953
00:44:50,579 --> 00:44:49,760
economic decline but because it would

954
00:44:53,009 --> 00:44:50,589
cause certain

955
00:44:56,279 --> 00:44:53,019
people and certain businesses to go into

956
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:56,289
an economic decline and unfortunately

957
00:45:01,680 --> 00:44:58,680
those people wield a lot of power so

958
00:45:04,650 --> 00:45:01,690
we're still stuck with her high

959
00:45:07,229 --> 00:45:04,660
electrical bills at home it's all

960
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:07,239
interconnected if we would suffer - I

961
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:09,729
mean it's all interconnected until they

962
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,049
figure they're going to eventually

963
00:45:15,809 --> 00:45:13,119
release it I mean they've got it they

964
00:45:19,859 --> 00:45:15,819
got to release it but a free energy is

965
00:45:22,739 --> 00:45:19,869
going to be free I mean you may be it

966
00:45:26,670 --> 00:45:22,749
may be energy I mean then then you study

967
00:45:30,359 --> 00:45:26,680
like Tesla and all the people that you

968
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:30,369
know that had these ideas about taking

969
00:45:36,229 --> 00:45:32,950
energy out of the void and and so forth

970
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:36,239
and so yes we could live a happier life

971
00:45:41,579 --> 00:45:39,609
I'm very close to the former defense

972
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:41,589
minister of Canada Paul Hellyer I've

973
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:47,710
done oh yeah yeah and and he read the

974
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:50,049
book and that's what stimulated him and

975
00:45:57,690 --> 00:45:55,089
he also called general here in America

976
00:45:59,279 --> 00:45:57,700
and got that of course it was real he

977
00:46:00,450 --> 00:45:59,289
was telling the truth and there was more

978
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:00,460
and there was more

979
00:46:05,489 --> 00:46:03,190
and so Paul Hellyer has has in his book

980
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:05,499
and see I wish people would read the

981
00:46:10,049 --> 00:46:07,930
light at the end of the tunnel describes

982
00:46:12,269 --> 00:46:10,059
how the world would change if we would

983
00:46:14,969 --> 00:46:12,279
switch over into this because there

984
00:46:17,489 --> 00:46:14,979
would be no poverty there would be no no

985
00:46:19,319 --> 00:46:17,499
need for you know these separations we

986
00:46:22,289 --> 00:46:19,329
could cooperate

987
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:22,299
you know we'd all live easier lives and

988
00:46:27,779 --> 00:46:24,450
we'd have to change the monetary system

989
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:27,789
and it's so logical the book is so

990
00:46:34,529 --> 00:46:31,930
logical but evidently society or

991
00:46:37,459 --> 00:46:34,539
whoever's doing the the you know the

992
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:37,469
managing of this is not ready for it

993
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:40,930
because there has to be a timing to all

994
00:46:46,829 --> 00:46:44,710
of this and and it's not our timing but

995
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:46,839
I'm going to add another thing that they

996
00:46:51,089 --> 00:46:49,569
that we better be soon otherwise there

997
00:46:56,099 --> 00:46:51,099
will be no planet to have free energy

998
00:46:58,170 --> 00:46:56,109
and and and this is the this is the the

999
00:47:01,799 --> 00:46:58,180
messages that are coming out of the out

1000
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:01,809
of South America the the et messages are

1001
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:04,000
being given to people in Peru

1002
00:47:11,970 --> 00:47:09,850
in Chile in Brazil in Argentina and

1003
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:11,980
because those people aren't interested

1004
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:14,410
in technology they're interested in a

1005
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:17,920
paradigm shift and because they don't

1006
00:47:23,930 --> 00:47:20,890
have what we have we're interested see

1007
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:23,940
the the ETS that came in the 50s and 60s

1008
00:47:31,170 --> 00:47:26,800
they tried they tried to give the

1009
00:47:33,870 --> 00:47:31,180
message of anti-nuclear of you know be

1010
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:33,880
careful how we operate and so far the

1011
00:47:40,380 --> 00:47:36,960
damn ski which is very interesting to me

1012
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:40,390
grunts Declan who the Adem ski you know

1013
00:47:46,590 --> 00:47:43,690
friend of Adamski's and so forth told me

1014
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:46,600
that a damn skis message in the 1960s

1015
00:47:51,540 --> 00:47:49,450
and he identity knew Kennedy and he's

1016
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:51,550
very narrow Lincoln National Cemetery he

1017
00:47:56,370 --> 00:47:54,310
said that that was part of the timeline

1018
00:47:59,550 --> 00:47:56,380
where we could switch the economy to a

1019
00:48:02,310 --> 00:47:59,560
space based economy where we could make

1020
00:48:03,930 --> 00:48:02,320
a lot of money from the spin-offs of

1021
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:03,940
flying in the outer space

1022
00:48:09,980 --> 00:48:06,370
or we'd stay with the war economy but

1023
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:09,990
we'd have to create the wars mm-hmm and

1024
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:12,400
you know which can you guess which one

1025
00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:15,370
we took you know I mean if you have a

1026
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,070
war economy you've got to create wars to

1027
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:21,040
have the economy go and then then we

1028
00:48:27,810 --> 00:48:23,110
have to create all the weapons of war

1029
00:48:30,270 --> 00:48:27,820
you know the very in some of those could

1030
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:30,280
could have been back engineered so you

1031
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:33,370
just it's a real mess is that that's why

1032
00:48:41,070 --> 00:48:37,210
in a way the dialogue oh I would like to

1033
00:48:45,210 --> 00:48:41,080
have is a vision of a more positive

1034
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:45,220
future and a vision of raising of

1035
00:48:49,710 --> 00:48:47,170
consciousness of humanity I think the

1036
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:49,720
reason why beings are visiting humanity

1037
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:53,050
and these are many many beings that are

1038
00:48:57,860 --> 00:48:55,090
visiting humanity are because they want

1039
00:49:03,510 --> 00:48:57,870
the evolution of human consciousness

1040
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:03,520
right yeah well that would be nice we

1041
00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:07,330
need it obviously well we're kind of a

1042
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:09,220
wake-up call it's a wake up call

1043
00:49:16,420 --> 00:49:14,110
you know in a sense yeah well it should

1044
00:49:19,780 --> 00:49:16,430
be I wonder if it is

1045
00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:19,790
and you know the people that are kind of

1046
00:49:23,020 --> 00:49:21,950
listening or all you know it's like

1047
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:23,030
they're kind of preaching to the choir

1048
00:49:27,970 --> 00:49:24,650
they're the people that are already open

1049
00:49:32,110 --> 00:49:27,980
to those ideas but aren't they making

1050
00:49:36,820 --> 00:49:32,120
headway with the other people the people

1051
00:49:39,550 --> 00:49:36,830
in power that can really do something to

1052
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:39,560
change I mean obviously people can make

1053
00:49:43,420 --> 00:49:40,490
changes too

1054
00:49:45,790 --> 00:49:43,430
I believe that you know each person can

1055
00:49:48,340 --> 00:49:45,800
make a change in their own little realm

1056
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,350
and their you know in their own little

1057
00:49:54,130 --> 00:49:50,720
circle but the people that can make the

1058
00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:54,140
big changes are they listening are they

1059
00:50:01,300 --> 00:49:56,420
willing to listen or do they already

1060
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:01,310
know in their railing against it well no

1061
00:50:06,850 --> 00:50:04,850
I think you know because you look at you

1062
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:06,860
know the geopolitical situation right

1063
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:08,960
now and I've been trying to figure it

1064
00:50:13,780 --> 00:50:11,330
out because this is all part of it and

1065
00:50:15,850 --> 00:50:13,790
maybe this is time we're facing our

1066
00:50:18,460 --> 00:50:15,860
demons I mean this is the time where

1067
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:18,470
something's going to happen some which

1068
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:20,690
way every way I'm not going to predict

1069
00:50:24,970 --> 00:50:22,490
but something will happen this is not

1070
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:24,980
normal there's no there's no normal here

1071
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:27,200
I mean whether it be here or Europe or

1072
00:50:33,610 --> 00:50:30,800
whatever there's no normal this is this

1073
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:33,620
is bizarre it almost looks like we're

1074
00:50:38,830 --> 00:50:36,170
going back to the 60s with Russia being

1075
00:50:42,910 --> 00:50:38,840
the the enemy and America going against

1076
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:42,920
Russia I mean looks like deja vu but I'm

1077
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:48,410
convinced that that if we threw a an

1078
00:50:54,010 --> 00:50:52,400
awareness and by the way all the

1079
00:50:55,870 --> 00:50:54,020
contactees that I've been interviewing

1080
00:50:58,330 --> 00:50:55,880
lately and I have a book called all the

1081
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,340
above and beyond they come out last year

1082
00:51:04,330 --> 00:51:01,280
and and if it's even though it's a 300

1083
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:04,340
page book it's got seven of the Latin

1084
00:51:10,450 --> 00:51:06,170
American contactees in there and it's

1085
00:51:13,450 --> 00:51:10,460
got a lot about time travel and I had an

1086
00:51:16,540 --> 00:51:13,460
interview dan burisch I interviewed Al

1087
00:51:18,940 --> 00:51:16,550
Bielek I interviewed I did the Charles

1088
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:18,950
Hall case the tall white aliens I mean

1089
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:21,530
that's all in there and these these

1090
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:24,530
peoples these cultural people's know

1091
00:51:30,190 --> 00:51:28,880
that individuals can change a society -

1092
00:51:34,270 --> 00:51:30,200
it doesn't need to be

1093
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:34,280
people that are ruling the world it

1094
00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:37,970
could be individuals and individual

1095
00:51:43,450 --> 00:51:40,790
thinking and I remember John Mack he's

1096
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,460
such a sweetheart I love John Mack he

1097
00:51:50,190 --> 00:51:45,920
said to me unless people change their

1098
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,200
worldview to accommodate this this this

1099
00:51:55,210 --> 00:51:52,640
phenomenon nothing's going to happen but

1100
00:51:57,250 --> 00:51:55,220
we need to change the way we think so

1101
00:51:59,079 --> 00:51:57,260
that's why Laughlin that's why I created

1102
00:52:01,359 --> 00:51:59,089
something like Laughlin to change the

1103
00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:01,369
thinking to change the way we think

1104
00:52:07,660 --> 00:52:04,790
about it that we're more similar than

1105
00:52:10,180 --> 00:52:07,670
different that we are one that we are a

1106
00:52:12,670 --> 00:52:10,190
human species I mean those guys up there

1107
00:52:15,849 --> 00:52:12,680
PT's are gone they're not going just

1108
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:15,859
guys Chinese this guy's you know Spanish

1109
00:52:23,740 --> 00:52:17,570
just got there going that's human race

1110
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:23,750
and it were one species yeah I I totally

1111
00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:26,240
get it I totally agree I you know it's

1112
00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:28,760
it's kind of crazy you know I think you

1113
00:52:33,339 --> 00:52:30,710
know you hear all these you know

1114
00:52:36,010 --> 00:52:33,349
negative conspiracy theories about you

1115
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:36,020
know one world is like a bad thing but

1116
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:38,569
there's definitely a positive side to

1117
00:52:44,410 --> 00:52:41,290
thinking in terms of one world and

1118
00:52:47,170 --> 00:52:44,420
looking at everyone as though we're all

1119
00:52:48,730 --> 00:52:47,180
part of each other if we're all part of

1120
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,740
each other we're all related we're all

1121
00:52:53,950 --> 00:52:51,440
part of the same group then it seems

1122
00:52:57,870 --> 00:52:53,960
like we'd be less likely to maybe kill

1123
00:53:03,700 --> 00:52:57,880
each other or wage war on each other so

1124
00:53:07,660 --> 00:53:03,710
I do see a real upside to that kind of

1125
00:53:10,450 --> 00:53:07,670
one worldview because if we don't start

1126
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:10,460
thinking that way then some of us are

1127
00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:14,960
gonna kill all the rest of us I think

1128
00:53:17,170 --> 00:53:16,550
it's more likely something like that

1129
00:53:19,059 --> 00:53:17,180
would happen

1130
00:53:21,339 --> 00:53:19,069
then you know we hear a lot of you know

1131
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:21,349
some kind of you know astronomical

1132
00:53:26,890 --> 00:53:25,130
disaster an asteroid or something

1133
00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:26,900
hitting the earth and destroying

1134
00:53:32,589 --> 00:53:29,150
everything I think it's more likely that

1135
00:53:34,569 --> 00:53:32,599
we're going to do it to ourselves yeah I

1136
00:53:36,220 --> 00:53:34,579
mean all you need but you know we can

1137
00:53:37,900 --> 00:53:36,230
come together over catastrophe and I'm

1138
00:53:40,210 --> 00:53:37,910
hoping that we don't because I remember

1139
00:53:42,490 --> 00:53:40,220
when there was a tsunami in the Pacific

1140
00:53:43,420 --> 00:53:42,500
everybody everybody came together they

1141
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:43,430
they think

1142
00:53:48,849 --> 00:53:45,650
everybody was you know close to

1143
00:53:51,460 --> 00:53:48,859
everybody I mean but I don't need that I

1144
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:51,470
mean because that catastrophe would

1145
00:53:55,809 --> 00:53:52,970
bring the whole world together in two

1146
00:53:57,730 --> 00:53:55,819
minutes I mean oh yeah a modern

1147
00:54:00,849 --> 00:53:57,740
catastrophe like a tsunami or an

1148
00:54:03,970 --> 00:54:00,859
earthquake and in the west coast of

1149
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:03,980
America I mean can you imagine I mean

1150
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:06,559
but what do we need to do that I don't

1151
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:08,930
want to do it that way you know I don't

1152
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:11,210
want to come together because of some

1153
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:14,480
huge ecological disaster an earthquake a

1154
00:54:19,690 --> 00:54:17,510
tsunami yeah you know war something I

1155
00:54:23,230 --> 00:54:19,700
would like to come together because

1156
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:23,240
because we are the same I mean I

1157
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:25,010
remember at ger Mitchell and he was

1158
00:54:29,530 --> 00:54:27,170
another friend of mine he said when he

1159
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:29,540
was out in space and he was coming

1160
00:54:36,130 --> 00:54:32,050
towards Earth he never saw any borders

1161
00:54:39,010 --> 00:54:36,140
he couldn't flower and he said he had a

1162
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:39,020
very spiritual epiphany that he was not

1163
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:40,609
only one with the earth but he was one

1164
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:43,490
of the stars in the universe and I think

1165
00:54:53,260 --> 00:54:50,089
that's the basic truth well yeah it

1166
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:53,270
sounds right to me I mean it you know

1167
00:54:59,160 --> 00:54:54,650
it's funny and we were talking a little

1168
00:55:01,780 --> 00:54:59,170
earlier about this about how there

1169
00:55:04,420 --> 00:55:01,790
sometimes the people that work in the

1170
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:04,430
field of ufology and a lot of people

1171
00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:08,150
that have been in space like Edgar

1172
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:11,900
Mitchell the astronaut it seems like at

1173
00:55:17,710 --> 00:55:15,530
some point you know they do you start to

1174
00:55:20,650 --> 00:55:17,720
see a convergence of the spiritual and

1175
00:55:21,970 --> 00:55:20,660
the scientific and I know that you you

1176
00:55:25,450 --> 00:55:21,980
know you're going to be covering that in

1177
00:55:26,890 --> 00:55:25,460
the in the conference I was reading

1178
00:55:28,510 --> 00:55:26,900
something about one of your speakers and

1179
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:28,520
it was a woman that you mentioned

1180
00:55:33,339 --> 00:55:30,650
earlier I'm sorry I'm blanking on her

1181
00:55:35,020 --> 00:55:33,349
name at the moment but I had not I

1182
00:55:37,780 --> 00:55:35,030
wasn't familiar with her but I thought

1183
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:37,790
boy I would sure like to hear what she

1184
00:55:45,309 --> 00:55:41,359
has to say on that because it does seem

1185
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:45,319
like that there is a convergence in some

1186
00:55:52,839 --> 00:55:50,569
corners of people being open to it's

1187
00:55:54,670 --> 00:55:52,849
sort of like if you're a scientist you

1188
00:55:57,220 --> 00:55:54,680
know you shut off the other side if

1189
00:55:59,770 --> 00:55:57,230
you're a spiritual person you shut off

1190
00:56:03,640 --> 00:55:59,780
you know the the sort of analytical side

1191
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:03,650
but there really is something that good

1192
00:56:07,810 --> 00:56:05,450
that happens when those two join

1193
00:56:10,510 --> 00:56:07,820
together because like you were saying

1194
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:10,520
about the the the bands that the aliens

1195
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:13,040
would wear around their heads that made

1196
00:56:18,220 --> 00:56:16,160
them one with the with the ship I can

1197
00:56:21,460 --> 00:56:18,230
see how that could work and I've often

1198
00:56:24,190 --> 00:56:21,470
felt that way when I was like often

1199
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:24,200
running on some research that I was

1200
00:56:27,790 --> 00:56:25,609
doing on something I was really

1201
00:56:31,570 --> 00:56:27,800
passionate about some magnificent

1202
00:56:34,270 --> 00:56:31,580
obsession I was chasing and I would feel

1203
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:34,280
like I was just the right book was

1204
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,650
falling into my hands or the right I

1205
00:56:40,810 --> 00:56:38,720
would just put in some search and

1206
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:40,820
something I wasn't looking for popped up

1207
00:56:44,349 --> 00:56:42,290
but it was just the right thing that I

1208
00:56:46,420 --> 00:56:44,359
needed and I'd often feel like you know

1209
00:56:50,770 --> 00:56:46,430
kind of one with my computer at some

1210
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:50,780
times or another so I can see how that

1211
00:56:56,020 --> 00:56:52,730
could actually work and be true and be

1212
00:57:00,460 --> 00:56:56,030
enhanced by technology but there's there

1213
00:57:01,630 --> 00:57:00,470
there's so much that I want them so much

1214
00:57:04,030 --> 00:57:01,640
more than I want to ask you about

1215
00:57:06,130 --> 00:57:04,040
Colonel Corso and others that you've

1216
00:57:08,980 --> 00:57:06,140
talked to because I know he's only one

1217
00:57:11,620 --> 00:57:08,990
but he is the subject of your new book

1218
00:57:13,180 --> 00:57:11,630
so I definitely want to put that out

1219
00:57:15,010 --> 00:57:13,190
there and let people know how they can

1220
00:57:17,830 --> 00:57:15,020
get it now we're going to take a quick

1221
00:57:23,290 --> 00:57:17,840
break and when we come back more with

1222
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:23,300
Paola Harrison stay with us welcome back

1223
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:25,090
for the final half-hour as night vision

1224
00:57:30,580 --> 00:57:28,400
I'm your host Renee Barnett and with me

1225
00:57:33,460 --> 00:57:30,590
is Paola Harris she's a photo journalist

1226
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:33,470
and author a speaker and a conference

1227
00:57:39,250 --> 00:57:35,930
producer and want to remind you once

1228
00:57:41,530 --> 00:57:39,260
again that she's got the star works USA

1229
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:41,540
conference coming up at Starbucks

1230
00:57:48,580 --> 00:57:44,510
usa.com check it out it's coming up in

1231
00:57:50,859 --> 00:57:48,590
November in Laughlin and it's a I guess

1232
00:57:52,690 --> 00:57:50,869
you could say it's a UFO conference but

1233
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:52,700
it's sort of a UFO conference of a

1234
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:56,330
different kind so check it out because

1235
00:58:00,910 --> 00:57:58,250
it's going to be different and not your

1236
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:00,920
usual fare but a lot of people you're

1237
00:58:06,550 --> 00:58:03,250
going to recognize and some new speakers

1238
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:06,560
that should be fun too because III know

1239
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:09,440
there's some definite sessions in there

1240
00:58:13,299 --> 00:58:10,880
that I want to sit in on

1241
00:58:15,339 --> 00:58:13,309
I saw some great stuff as we were

1242
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:15,349
talking about on the break Paola

1243
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:18,410
I think we need a new way of looking at

1244
00:58:25,690 --> 00:58:22,730
things and not rejected no one side or

1245
00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:25,700
the other you know well it's a new world

1246
00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:27,529
view and that's what dark doctor John

1247
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:29,710
Mack remember he was a medical

1248
00:58:34,930 --> 00:58:33,200
psychiatrist said yes he said that it

1249
00:58:36,910 --> 00:58:34,940
has to accommodate all this we were

1250
00:58:39,849 --> 00:58:36,920
talking and you were talking about ESP

1251
00:58:41,259 --> 00:58:39,859
and so forth and using intuition well

1252
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:41,269
these beings when they communicate

1253
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:43,609
they're not speaking with their mouths

1254
00:58:48,099 --> 00:58:45,529
and they're not speaking didn't go to

1255
00:58:52,809 --> 00:58:48,109
school to study Spanish and Chinese and

1256
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:52,819
Italian and they basically the being

1257
00:58:59,519 --> 00:58:54,890
communication with ETS is done

1258
00:59:04,289 --> 00:58:59,529
telepathically and it's a direct

1259
00:59:06,759 --> 00:59:04,299
transfer a thought transfer and ESP

1260
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:06,769
remote viewing was studied by the

1261
00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:08,960
military and if the military is spending

1262
00:59:13,930 --> 00:59:11,630
all the time remote viewing and and I

1263
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:13,940
interviewed several people I've got a

1264
00:59:19,029 --> 00:59:16,730
whole section on my first book on remote

1265
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:19,039
viewing and talking about Ingo Swann and

1266
00:59:24,849 --> 00:59:21,170
and I've got Courtney brown in there

1267
00:59:26,829 --> 00:59:24,859
I've got Paul Smith I've got Erie

1268
00:59:29,740 --> 00:59:26,839
Gallery I've got all these people in my

1269
00:59:31,930 --> 00:59:29,750
first book connecting the dots making

1270
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:31,940
sense of the UFO phenomenon if the

1271
00:59:41,289 --> 00:59:36,410
military is developing ESP and and and

1272
00:59:43,859 --> 00:59:41,299
these things for you know for I'm not

1273
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:43,869
for uses and for the military

1274
00:59:50,769 --> 00:59:48,170
why is army people making fun of ESP

1275
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:50,779
classes or ESP or people that have an

1276
00:59:56,620 --> 00:59:53,119
intuition and so forth because it is a

1277
00:59:59,799 --> 00:59:56,630
sixth sense that is valuable to to

1278
01:00:03,069 --> 00:59:59,809
regular people just as much as it is to

1279
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:03,079
the military and if you develop that and

1280
01:00:10,809 --> 01:00:05,569
and you have to have certain meditation

1281
01:00:14,019 --> 01:00:10,819
skills and certain skills to concentrate

1282
01:00:17,499 --> 01:00:14,029
and you develop that that that is the

1283
01:00:21,609 --> 01:00:17,509
way these being you know dialogue with

1284
01:00:24,460 --> 01:00:21,619
humans so that's why Clifford stone who

1285
01:00:27,099 --> 01:00:24,470
will be at a loss one conference was

1286
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:27,109
chose him when he was a child he had

1287
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:29,650
contact in the military the army knew

1288
01:00:36,070 --> 01:00:32,720
and so when that he was 16 years old and

1289
01:00:38,140 --> 01:00:36,080
he was not medically fit for the army

1290
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:38,150
they drafted him anyway or he

1291
01:00:44,770 --> 01:00:41,330
volunteered to - he thought he was on

1292
01:00:46,570 --> 01:00:44,780
some kind of nuclear biological group

1293
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:46,580
that was cleaning up you know nuclear

1294
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:49,609
biological waste and he found out early

1295
01:00:55,780 --> 01:00:52,609
on that his job was to approach a craft

1296
01:00:59,890 --> 01:00:55,790
and communicate with the beings and his

1297
01:01:02,890 --> 01:00:59,900
book eyes only which I helped publish he

1298
01:01:05,140 --> 01:01:02,900
talks about cases in Vietnam and and

1299
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:05,150
just recently I interviewed Clifford

1300
01:01:09,060 --> 01:01:07,250
again he will be interviewed by George

1301
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:09,070
and airy at my conference and I said

1302
01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:11,599
what happened in Vietnam and he said

1303
01:01:15,609 --> 01:01:13,310
basically he was asked to go into this

1304
01:01:18,550 --> 01:01:15,619
cave where these very strange-looking

1305
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:18,560
beings were watching the Vietnam War and

1306
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,690
and they turned around to him and said

1307
01:01:25,780 --> 01:01:22,160
what are you doing fighting over here

1308
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:25,790
and so you know it's like everybody

1309
01:01:29,530 --> 01:01:27,650
thinks they're good or evil of giving

1310
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:29,540
them all kinds of agenda I've come to

1311
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:31,369
the conclusion they're watching our

1312
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:33,680
insanity and and and they're watching

1313
01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:36,650
what we're doing he has three cases that

1314
01:01:42,609 --> 01:01:38,510
he talks about his involvement in

1315
01:01:44,140 --> 01:01:42,619
Vietnam and and he and the other thing I

1316
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:44,150
want to make clear is we've got to stop

1317
01:01:49,180 --> 01:01:46,730
throwing these beings into reptilians

1318
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:49,190
brazen and Nordics I mean that is

1319
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:52,450
ridiculous there are 57 different races

1320
01:01:59,320 --> 01:01:55,609
of beings and the ones in South America

1321
01:02:01,810 --> 01:01:59,330
are from a planet called Abu in the in

1322
01:02:04,990 --> 01:02:01,820
the constellation of Alpha Centauri if

1323
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:05,000
you read Ricardo Gonzalez's book which I

1324
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:06,490
helped him publish called

1325
01:02:12,099 --> 01:02:08,810
contact from the planet up or their

1326
01:02:13,930 --> 01:02:12,109
people and and you can't show them into

1327
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:13,940
three categories when there's 57

1328
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:16,730
different races I mean the other way

1329
01:02:20,740 --> 01:02:19,130
around was they'd come to the the beings

1330
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,750
would come from other planets and say

1331
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:23,119
there's three different kinds of human

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all projects have a starting point

1341
01:02:50,109 --> 01:02:48,529
start with Lowe's about 621 through 712

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01:02:56,049 --> 01:02:50,119
us only exclusion supplies these store

1343
01:02:59,799 --> 01:02:56,059
for details once you know it's magatsu

1344
01:03:02,200 --> 01:02:59,809
really study this so that we are at

1345
01:03:06,459 --> 01:03:02,210
treating it like an academic subject

1346
01:03:10,479 --> 01:03:06,469
that we have accumulated the knowledge

1347
01:03:13,089 --> 01:03:10,489
from reading books that the sources you

1348
01:03:16,029 --> 01:03:13,099
know I said when I do conference a you

1349
01:03:17,709 --> 01:03:16,039
say if you were my class and I asked you

1350
01:03:20,589 --> 01:03:17,719
to do a research paper and you were

1351
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:20,599
quoting Internet you'd get an F you got

1352
01:03:25,180 --> 01:03:23,359
to go to the original source you have to

1353
01:03:26,979 --> 01:03:25,190
read little courses book you have to

1354
01:03:29,049 --> 01:03:26,989
read allen hynek's book you have to read

1355
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:29,059
Charles Holmes book you have to read

1356
01:03:34,329 --> 01:03:31,249
Jacques Millais book you have to read

1357
01:03:37,329 --> 01:03:34,339
you know the books and what the original

1358
01:03:39,670 --> 01:03:37,339
source told you you read Travis Waltons

1359
01:03:42,459 --> 01:03:39,680
book fire in the sky which is totally

1360
01:03:46,329 --> 01:03:42,469
different from the movie you can just go

1361
01:03:48,579 --> 01:03:46,339
to movies and go on you know you know

1362
01:03:53,049 --> 01:03:48,589
and and and get all your information off

1363
01:03:56,289 --> 01:03:53,059
television shows and if you did that if

1364
01:03:58,979 --> 01:03:56,299
people really did that they would get

1365
01:04:02,529 --> 01:03:58,989
the answer to a lot of their questions

1366
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:02,539
and you know and go back to putting it

1367
01:04:06,969 --> 01:04:04,640
all together one of the things about

1368
01:04:09,759 --> 01:04:06,979
Edgar Mitchell is when he came back from

1369
01:04:13,959 --> 01:04:09,769
his trip to the moon he was six man on

1370
01:04:17,009 --> 01:04:13,969
the moon Apollo 14 after you know the

1371
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:17,019
infamous apology I mean you know he

1372
01:04:23,799 --> 01:04:20,089
didn't he went into noetic Sciences

1373
01:04:28,779 --> 01:04:23,809
which meant he financed her yellers you

1374
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:28,789
know studies conscience yeah yeah it

1375
01:04:34,269 --> 01:04:30,799
wasn't him it was the CIA the finance

1376
01:04:36,550 --> 01:04:34,279
the study of regular in his powers and s

1377
01:04:40,450 --> 01:04:36,560
RI and and

1378
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:40,460
noetic sciences he is part of the right

1379
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:42,970
sizes is Dean rain and the quantum

1380
01:04:47,650 --> 01:04:45,410
physics that Dean Radin is putting out

1381
01:04:49,900 --> 01:04:47,660
which shows that everything is

1382
01:04:53,860 --> 01:04:49,910
interconnected and that isn't New Leash

1383
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:53,870
that's modern quantum that the is that's

1384
01:04:58,750 --> 01:04:56,570
science I mean now you know we got the

1385
01:05:01,870 --> 01:04:58,760
phenomenon now we're developing the

1386
01:05:06,010 --> 01:05:01,880
science to explain it exactly science

1387
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:06,020
that explains it so and people should

1388
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:08,690
know that it's not whoa it's science

1389
01:05:14,260 --> 01:05:12,050
I mean it's real science that's claiming

1390
01:05:15,610 --> 01:05:14,270
that everything is one that phenomenon

1391
01:05:18,250 --> 01:05:15,620
happens when you have the head of

1392
01:05:20,110 --> 01:05:18,260
Lockheed Martin saying we could take

1393
01:05:23,860 --> 01:05:20,120
we've got the technology to take e.t

1394
01:05:28,540 --> 01:05:23,870
home and then Johar's had questions them

1395
01:05:32,860 --> 01:05:28,550
and says why you know where what's

1396
01:05:36,130 --> 01:05:32,870
missing in the guy you know the head of

1397
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:36,140
Lockheed Martin then I think it's been

1398
01:05:42,910 --> 01:05:38,570
rich says to to Jan Harvin do you know

1399
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:42,920
how ESP works do you know how ESP works

1400
01:05:47,650 --> 01:05:44,810
yeah you use your mind to fly the ship

1401
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:47,660
you use you know how do you know how ESP

1402
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:49,730
works you know and that's all he said to

1403
01:05:54,790 --> 01:05:52,210
them that and then you have to connect

1404
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:54,800
you have to connect the dots there is

1405
01:06:03,700 --> 01:05:58,400
this there is a component in our psyche

1406
01:06:05,950 --> 01:06:03,710
that is very powerful that can it can do

1407
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:05,960
a lot of amazing things we have this

1408
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:09,170
conversation before you and I yeah and

1409
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:11,510
and you know just like they've developed

1410
01:06:17,710 --> 01:06:14,810
you know artificial limbs electronic

1411
01:06:20,050 --> 01:06:17,720
limbs that are controlled by your mind

1412
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:20,060
you think I want to pick up this glass

1413
01:06:25,390 --> 01:06:21,920
it's just like as if it was your own

1414
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:25,400
hand and I mean they they must have

1415
01:06:28,750 --> 01:06:27,290
figured a lot of this stuff out and I

1416
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:28,760
guess they're putting it out in a

1417
01:06:35,350 --> 01:06:33,170
limited way but when you were spending

1418
01:06:37,950 --> 01:06:35,360
time with with Colonel Corso I know you

1419
01:06:40,780 --> 01:06:37,960
you got to be you know more than just

1420
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:40,790
interview subject and interviewee I mean

1421
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:43,280
an interviewer you got to be close

1422
01:06:48,339 --> 01:06:46,010
friends and I know you were you you had

1423
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:48,349
fond feelings for him

1424
01:06:55,870 --> 01:06:51,440
and so I would imagine he really opened

1425
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,880
up to you at that time so can you talk

1426
01:07:01,539 --> 01:06:57,680
about how some of your conversations

1427
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:01,549
went what was he like and I know you

1428
01:07:06,940 --> 01:07:03,529
probably as a journalist do the same

1429
01:07:09,069 --> 01:07:06,950
thing a lot of us do and or just in life

1430
01:07:10,719 --> 01:07:09,079
when you're talking to someone you you

1431
01:07:12,940 --> 01:07:10,729
know you're sort of gauging you know do

1432
01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:12,950
they sound believable does this seem

1433
01:07:18,609 --> 01:07:16,729
like a good true and honest person can

1434
01:07:20,859 --> 01:07:18,619
you just give us a little bit about your

1435
01:07:26,140 --> 01:07:20,869
perceptions about Colonel Corso what

1436
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:26,150
kind of a person was he and if if you

1437
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:28,160
could share something from the book that

1438
01:07:32,170 --> 01:07:30,710
may be new to us that we didn't we

1439
01:07:36,930 --> 01:07:32,180
haven't learned yet there's probably a

1440
01:07:40,089 --> 01:07:36,940
lot well there is a lot in first of all

1441
01:07:43,180 --> 01:07:40,099
trail course so I spent Easter with him

1442
01:07:47,499 --> 01:07:43,190
in Italy because he came over a second

1443
01:07:49,390 --> 01:07:47,509
time in 1998 to a small independent

1444
01:07:53,529 --> 01:07:49,400
Republic called son that you know to

1445
01:07:55,660 --> 01:07:53,539
sign in a United Nations resolution the

1446
01:07:58,900 --> 01:07:55,670
independent Republic of somebody you

1447
01:08:02,859 --> 01:07:58,910
know like Grenada which was a small

1448
01:08:05,859 --> 01:08:02,869
country in 1979 with Sir Eric gairy they

1449
01:08:08,049 --> 01:08:05,869
all tried to open this up in in in the

1450
01:08:10,779 --> 01:08:08,059
to talk about it seriously in the United

1451
01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:10,789
Nations so when he came over in 1998 he

1452
01:08:18,059 --> 01:08:13,849
signed a paper with a lot of researchers

1453
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:18,069
Colin Andrews was there David Jacobs oh

1454
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,489
my goodness Michael husbandman people

1455
01:08:26,379 --> 01:08:24,080
from all over searchers from all over

1456
01:08:28,329 --> 01:08:26,389
the world signed the paper to open this

1457
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,339
up with the United Nations and I spent

1458
01:08:33,970 --> 01:08:30,560
Easter with him that year and that was

1459
01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:33,980
the year he died in 1998 and what he

1460
01:08:39,519 --> 01:08:36,710
said what he said was that that he

1461
01:08:41,769 --> 01:08:39,529
regretted a lot of his decisions because

1462
01:08:45,789 --> 01:08:41,779
he said that when he was in the military

1463
01:08:48,669 --> 01:08:45,799
they had made him you know he regretted

1464
01:08:51,970 --> 01:08:48,679
the wars he was and he regretted a lot

1465
01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:51,980
of you know he said it was very

1466
01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:54,710
difficult on him that he saw everything

1467
01:09:01,150 --> 01:08:57,770
in retro retrospect because he did the

1468
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:01,160
world war two he did the Korean or

1469
01:09:10,180 --> 01:09:03,650
you know he was involved with that and

1470
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:10,190
he said that basically he saw he had a

1471
01:09:17,410 --> 01:09:13,250
different perception of what the planet

1472
01:09:19,750 --> 01:09:17,420
was like and he thought that that we

1473
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:19,760
were being visited for reason in other

1474
01:09:25,750 --> 01:09:23,450
words that it being in Roswell was

1475
01:09:30,610 --> 01:09:25,760
because of our you got to understand

1476
01:09:32,590 --> 01:09:30,620
that Roswell that the bomb that the the

1477
01:09:38,980 --> 01:09:32,600
testing of the atomic bomb at White

1478
01:09:41,410 --> 01:09:38,990
Sands there it was in 1945 and in we had

1479
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:41,420
a crash in 1945 it's in one of my books

1480
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:44,570
but the five Oh ninth bomb squadron that

1481
01:09:51,690 --> 01:09:47,210
actually threw the bombs in Nagasaki and

1482
01:09:55,540 --> 01:09:51,700
Hiroshima were stationed in Roswell sure

1483
01:09:57,820 --> 01:09:55,550
planes were there you know in in so

1484
01:10:00,340 --> 01:09:57,830
these the crash that happened there was

1485
01:10:03,370 --> 01:10:00,350
it was the result of beings that were

1486
01:10:05,470 --> 01:10:03,380
watching not only our ability to blow

1487
01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:05,480
ourselves up but anything that happened

1488
01:10:10,150 --> 01:10:08,000
was in their dimension too in other

1489
01:10:14,230 --> 01:10:10,160
words when we discover something that

1490
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:14,240
dangerous it also it also echoes in

1491
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:17,330
their dimension it also hurt it hurts

1492
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:22,310
them so Corso was saying you know that

1493
01:10:27,460 --> 01:10:24,770
we were work was in our decisions and

1494
01:10:29,710 --> 01:10:27,470
that he had their responsibilities was

1495
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:29,720
he was given the responsibility to back

1496
01:10:33,970 --> 01:10:32,210
engineer these things but he at the end

1497
01:10:37,060 --> 01:10:33,980
of the book he says the biggest gift

1498
01:10:40,810 --> 01:10:37,070
that he didn't do anything with was the

1499
01:10:45,550 --> 01:10:40,820
the et body because it's faded fast he

1500
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:45,560
said and he made you know clear allusion

1501
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:47,690
to the fact that he actually was at

1502
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:50,210
wright-patterson and he he made an

1503
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:53,360
allusion that he did see bodies yeah and

1504
01:11:00,670 --> 01:10:56,960
he did anyway and the reason why he you

1505
01:11:03,130 --> 01:11:00,680
know everybody thinks that his intention

1506
01:11:05,550 --> 01:11:03,140
was books and money is not true because

1507
01:11:09,130 --> 01:11:05,560
when he died he hadn't made any money

1508
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:09,140
later on the book you know was was more

1509
01:11:14,110 --> 01:11:12,290
popular but I said Colonel why why are

1510
01:11:15,070 --> 01:11:14,120
you doing this and he said for my

1511
01:11:19,630 --> 01:11:15,080
children child

1512
01:11:21,610 --> 01:11:19,640
the three boys Nick Andrew and Philip he

1513
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:21,620
said you know they asked me grandpa

1514
01:11:27,070 --> 01:11:25,040
did you ever talk to et and so he said I

1515
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:27,080
finally had to tell them the truth he

1516
01:11:30,670 --> 01:11:28,850
said and the young people can handle it

1517
01:11:33,460 --> 01:11:30,680
he said this shouldn't be hidden anymore

1518
01:11:36,670 --> 01:11:33,470
stop lying to the young people he said

1519
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:36,680
this should be a because they can handle

1520
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:39,050
it and they must handle it they must

1521
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:41,690
know this is real and that was his main

1522
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:43,970
intention and he repeated that over and

1523
01:11:46,810 --> 01:11:45,770
over again and of course when we brought

1524
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:46,820
him to Italy we brought his

1525
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:48,320
grandchildren there that was part of the

1526
01:11:54,010 --> 01:11:51,440
deal we had to bring him you know and we

1527
01:11:59,170 --> 01:11:54,020
had them in Italy with us and you know

1528
01:12:01,570 --> 01:11:59,180
grandpas not gonna lie you know light

1529
01:12:04,450 --> 01:12:01,580
and so the Pearl was telling the truth

1530
01:12:06,130 --> 01:12:04,460
about everything in the details around

1531
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:06,140
the book even talks about World War two

1532
01:12:12,250 --> 01:12:08,810
Operation Paperclip bringing over the

1533
01:12:15,670 --> 01:12:12,260
German scientists how some of these like

1534
01:12:18,730 --> 01:12:15,680
Hermann Oberth had had great knowledge

1535
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:18,740
of UFOs and he talked about the Foo

1536
01:12:22,990 --> 01:12:21,170
Fighters and these are all this is all

1537
01:12:25,780 --> 01:12:23,000
in the book he went into details about

1538
01:12:28,690 --> 01:12:25,790
all of this stuff which was not in the

1539
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:28,700
day after Roswell but the greatest story

1540
01:12:33,940 --> 01:12:31,810
of all I can tell you is that that in

1541
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:33,950
1957 he was the head of a missile

1542
01:12:39,190 --> 01:12:36,410
battalion and in a white van near he

1543
01:12:41,620 --> 01:12:39,200
said of Red Canyon and I sensed her I

1544
01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:41,630
tried to drive by there and he said he

1545
01:12:48,490 --> 01:12:45,110
saw a UFO that was on the ground and he

1546
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:48,500
said he took the car the the Jeep and

1547
01:12:52,810 --> 01:12:50,330
went over to the UFO NIT was appearing

1548
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:52,820
and disappearing and he said that he

1549
01:12:57,490 --> 01:12:55,010
threw some cactus under to see how solid

1550
01:12:59,920 --> 01:12:57,500
it was and it actually squashed the

1551
01:13:01,870 --> 01:12:59,930
cactus and he said from the left a key

1552
01:13:03,730 --> 01:13:01,880
out of cave came a being and he said he

1553
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:03,740
pulled out his gun and he pointed it at

1554
01:13:07,660 --> 01:13:05,930
the being he's telling the truth and to

1555
01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:07,670
be and this is one of those beings with

1556
01:13:12,580 --> 01:13:09,710
the headband and he says to the being

1557
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:12,590
friend or foe and I and he asked me in

1558
01:13:16,180 --> 01:13:14,210
the first interview he ever did with me

1559
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:16,190
said just what he said and I said he

1560
01:13:20,890 --> 01:13:18,650
said neither in Colonel Corso said

1561
01:13:22,810 --> 01:13:20,900
that's what he said neither and and then

1562
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:22,820
he said the being said would you shut

1563
01:13:26,860 --> 01:13:24,410
down your radars and let me go because

1564
01:13:28,420 --> 01:13:26,870
in those days they were they were told

1565
01:13:30,340 --> 01:13:28,430
to shut their radios down

1566
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:30,350
during certain times of the day in

1567
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:32,000
kurtal course I hadn't shut them down

1568
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:35,690
and so Colonel Corsa said if I shut down

1569
01:13:40,300 --> 01:13:37,970
my readers what he radars what do you

1570
01:13:42,940 --> 01:13:40,310
have to offer me and he goes the new

1571
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:42,950
world if you can take it and that phrase

1572
01:13:46,810 --> 01:13:44,690
the new world of you can take it's been

1573
01:13:48,970 --> 01:13:46,820
used in ufology but that comes from the

1574
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:48,980
message that the being told Colonel

1575
01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:50,810
Courcelles everybody knows about that

1576
01:13:56,530 --> 01:13:54,560
phrase and of course when they gave me

1577
01:13:57,700 --> 01:13:56,540
the first interview and I'm going to be

1578
01:13:59,230 --> 01:13:57,710
honest with you Renee

1579
01:14:02,170 --> 01:13:59,240
I didn't print it because I thought they

1580
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:02,180
think he was crazy so I never printed it

1581
01:14:06,910 --> 01:14:04,850
until after he died so I made a

1582
01:14:08,860 --> 01:14:06,920
censorship decision that was very bad

1583
01:14:11,410 --> 01:14:08,870
for a journalist he gave me that

1584
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:11,420
interview and when I first met him and

1585
01:14:14,650 --> 01:14:13,130
then I told him I didn't I wanted to

1586
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:14,660
know about back-engineering and not

1587
01:14:20,170 --> 01:14:17,600
contact that anyway so and he said to me

1588
01:14:23,020 --> 01:14:20,180
Paula he said do you know what a new

1589
01:14:27,490 --> 01:14:23,030
world if you can take it means and today

1590
01:14:29,890 --> 01:14:27,500
in 2017 I know it means a change your

1591
01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:29,900
worldview and a raising of consciousness

1592
01:14:36,850 --> 01:14:33,110
and the being said that's what you we

1593
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:36,860
can offer you so you know that's in the

1594
01:14:41,140 --> 01:14:38,930
book and then there's also a drawing of

1595
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:41,150
the being he saw and did they give them

1596
01:14:46,570 --> 01:14:44,320
any ideas on on just how we can do that

1597
01:14:51,340 --> 01:14:46,580
did they give us an instruction manual

1598
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:51,350
for raising know how we can do that I

1599
01:14:59,440 --> 01:14:55,040
think I think that the use of meditation

1600
01:15:01,840 --> 01:14:59,450
and silencing the mind and and you know

1601
01:15:05,050 --> 01:15:01,850
any any technique people who use I think

1602
01:15:07,150 --> 01:15:05,060
that they it look if that if DTS are

1603
01:15:09,010 --> 01:15:07,160
downloading musicians I'm sure if you go

1604
01:15:11,860 --> 01:15:09,020
out into the wilderness and just calm

1605
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:11,870
your mind you'll get some ideas you know

1606
01:15:16,420 --> 01:15:13,850
I'm sure you from the universe because

1607
01:15:18,460 --> 01:15:16,430
we're all connected I'm positive you'll

1608
01:15:20,590 --> 01:15:18,470
get ideas but I don't think they need to

1609
01:15:23,980 --> 01:15:20,600
give us a manual I think we we have it

1610
01:15:27,730 --> 01:15:23,990
in our DNA to be more than we are we

1611
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:27,740
have it in our DNA to be amazing so I

1612
01:15:34,110 --> 01:15:30,080
think that you know they're just saying

1613
01:15:38,130 --> 01:15:34,120
would you guys all go be amazing please

1614
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:38,140
stop killing each other you know

1615
01:15:42,250 --> 01:15:40,400
stop thinking negative you're all

1616
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:42,260
amazing or just turn on

1617
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:47,120
amazing button yeah I mean it's I was

1618
01:15:54,610 --> 01:15:50,320
thinking you know it's like when I was

1619
01:15:58,810 --> 01:15:54,620
very young and you know growing up and I

1620
01:16:01,810 --> 01:15:58,820
you know I think oh I'm just there's

1621
01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:01,820
nothing special about me and you know

1622
01:16:08,620 --> 01:16:05,510
I'm probably lazy and you know not that

1623
01:16:10,030 --> 01:16:08,630
good of a kid or whatever and and then I

1624
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:10,040
start thinking about it and I thought

1625
01:16:15,820 --> 01:16:11,840
well what does it mean to be a good

1626
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:15,830
person how do you be a good person well

1627
01:16:22,810 --> 01:16:18,650
you just be one you just be one and you

1628
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:22,820
can be one starting any time and so I

1629
01:16:28,990 --> 01:16:26,210
think it's the same possibly with our

1630
01:16:32,740 --> 01:16:29,000
consciousness how do we raise it we just

1631
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:32,750
do we just think in a more positive way

1632
01:16:40,750 --> 01:16:36,530
and we look at each other in a more

1633
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:40,760
positive way and try to be a little bit

1634
01:16:45,490 --> 01:16:43,280
of service in this world whatever it is

1635
01:16:48,730 --> 01:16:45,500
that we do you know whatever it is that

1636
01:16:51,190 --> 01:16:48,740
we have to offer and I love your idea

1637
01:16:53,890 --> 01:16:51,200
about you know sharing of information

1638
01:16:56,980 --> 01:16:53,900
with international researchers and

1639
01:17:00,100 --> 01:16:56,990
experiencers and you know I think every

1640
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:00,110
field of study could benefit from that

1641
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:03,730
kind of dialogue and discourse because

1642
01:17:09,730 --> 01:17:06,890
you kind of see it you know in a lot of

1643
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:09,740
areas it's not just ufology where people

1644
01:17:16,180 --> 01:17:13,760
sort of get you know Precious about

1645
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:16,190
their own material and they want to you

1646
01:17:21,130 --> 01:17:18,890
know keep this this is my stuff and you

1647
01:17:25,540 --> 01:17:21,140
know they don't share information in a

1648
01:17:27,580 --> 01:17:25,550
way and I've also seen I have to say not

1649
01:17:31,210 --> 01:17:27,590
in just the UFO field but certainly in

1650
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:31,220
the UFO field that sometimes when people

1651
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:34,250
start getting a little bit of attention

1652
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:36,770
over their work or their story or

1653
01:17:39,490 --> 01:17:38,810
whatever it is that that they're putting

1654
01:17:42,340 --> 01:17:39,500
out there

1655
01:17:44,410 --> 01:17:42,350
the ego starts getting involved at some

1656
01:17:48,190 --> 01:17:44,420
point I've seen it go both ways

1657
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:48,200
the ego sometimes gets involved and then

1658
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:50,570
they start maybe embellishing their

1659
01:17:54,490 --> 01:17:52,610
story a little bit and then it starts

1660
01:17:56,050 --> 01:17:54,500
muddying the waters and then I've also

1661
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:56,060
seen it go the other way

1662
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:57,770
like we were talking about with people

1663
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:00,560
like like Edgar Mitchell where they

1664
01:18:05,890 --> 01:18:04,130
start raising their consciousness and

1665
01:18:08,140 --> 01:18:05,900
that's really what we're talking about

1666
01:18:11,860 --> 01:18:08,150
when you're talking about him being an

1667
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:11,870
astronaut and being mayor looking back

1668
01:18:17,710 --> 01:18:15,530
at the earth and feeling not only just

1669
01:18:20,860 --> 01:18:17,720
at one with the earth but with the stars

1670
01:18:25,180 --> 01:18:20,870
with the entire universe and you know

1671
01:18:29,620 --> 01:18:25,190
that's an amazing goal for us and all we

1672
01:18:30,940 --> 01:18:29,630
have is that would I guess yeah we don't

1673
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:30,950
want people telling us what to do

1674
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:34,130
especially from outer space so it's not

1675
01:18:37,930 --> 01:18:35,840
like they have to tell us anything we

1676
01:18:43,210 --> 01:18:37,940
could do it but another thing I really

1677
01:18:45,850 --> 01:18:43,220
want to say as part of this show is that

1678
01:18:48,460 --> 01:18:45,860
when things come out the new things like

1679
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:48,470
the The Mummy be found in Nazca the

1680
01:18:52,750 --> 01:18:50,570
people stopped you know debunking it

1681
01:18:56,530 --> 01:18:52,760
before they hear all the news I mean

1682
01:18:59,560 --> 01:18:56,540
there are some real real UFO movies that

1683
01:19:02,170 --> 01:18:59,570
are on internet that are real UFOs and

1684
01:19:03,970 --> 01:19:02,180
and people think that they're experts

1685
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:03,980
and they go it's a hoax to CGR and

1686
01:19:08,590 --> 01:19:06,320
they're silly you don't do it like that

1687
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:08,600
you know you have to do the research I

1688
01:19:13,390 --> 01:19:10,970
mean you really need to research you

1689
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:13,400
cannot and I'm seeing on internet that

1690
01:19:17,230 --> 01:19:15,530
right away they're going okay well you

1691
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:17,240
know that fella hooks you know the three

1692
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:21,170
hit they're doing DNA testing on that

1693
01:19:26,980 --> 01:19:23,840
that that particular mummy but there

1694
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:26,990
were others found in Peru and the man

1695
01:19:31,630 --> 01:19:28,610
that actually found them is a French

1696
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:31,640
scientist I mean is he it isn't tiny

1697
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:33,770
Mouse on our Gaia television it's a

1698
01:19:39,820 --> 01:19:37,850
French scientist and and and they're

1699
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:39,830
doing the work they're doing the testing

1700
01:19:43,690 --> 01:19:41,840
of the DNA and they're doing the work

1701
01:19:45,580 --> 01:19:43,700
and I see all over in our it's a house

1702
01:19:50,410 --> 01:19:45,590
it's a hog does that really we gotta

1703
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:50,420
stop that real it we really need to go

1704
01:20:01,870 --> 01:19:59,770
detective would do it that's why I love

1705
01:20:04,090 --> 01:20:01,880
my job it's investigative journalists

1706
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:04,100
every story I've ever done has taken me

1707
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:06,800
two years to finish because I have to

1708
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:08,960
investigate every part of it if I

1709
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:10,010
started out by saying

1710
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:12,650
yeah I think it's a I think it's not

1711
01:20:20,230 --> 01:20:17,930
thinking research is not opinion you

1712
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:20,240
can't sort you gotta have an informed

1713
01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:24,170
opinion because it's got to be informed

1714
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:27,110
because you did the work behind it and

1715
01:20:34,330 --> 01:20:31,490
and in it can't be I know that's CGI

1716
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:34,340
that's not a real UFO I mean they I have

1717
01:20:40,510 --> 01:20:37,010
I have gone to Switzerland I have seen

1718
01:20:42,370 --> 01:20:40,520
the the billy meier stuff it's real the

1719
01:20:45,310 --> 01:20:42,380
difference is that it was sold to the

1720
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:45,320
Japanese a lot of stuff the movies I saw

1721
01:20:51,490 --> 01:20:48,560
are real is no CGI and the Photoshop was

1722
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:51,500
created in 1992 so and this was a

1723
01:20:55,150 --> 01:20:53,570
nineteen seventies story but people

1724
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:55,160
don't get their facts straight

1725
01:21:03,210 --> 01:20:59,120
so you know the excuse the Billy Myers

1726
01:21:04,570 --> 01:21:03,220
pictures are too good I agreed the

1727
01:21:07,210 --> 01:21:04,580
Pleiadians

1728
01:21:10,090 --> 01:21:07,220
staged at all so that he would be able

1729
01:21:12,340 --> 01:21:10,100
to show to the world they staged it they

1730
01:21:14,140 --> 01:21:12,350
staged their flying over hills and

1731
01:21:16,900 --> 01:21:14,150
everything told them when to come out

1732
01:21:18,820 --> 01:21:16,910
and the reason why I did the know this

1733
01:21:20,770 --> 01:21:18,830
was because I spoke for two Wendell

1734
01:21:22,540 --> 01:21:20,780
Stevens who I consider one of the

1735
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:22,550
greatest researchers on planet Earth

1736
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:24,800
when he was alive I spoke to him for

1737
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:28,010
four hours at the Tucson Airport and he

1738
01:21:32,710 --> 01:21:30,800
was a present during all of this and he

1739
01:21:35,290 --> 01:21:32,720
and Britt and Lee elders that did the

1740
01:21:37,780 --> 01:21:35,300
story on Billy Meyer and oh my colleague

1741
01:21:40,510 --> 01:21:37,790
hoax hoax hoax hoax hoax without ever

1742
01:21:43,450 --> 01:21:40,520
bothering to read the book I'm still

1743
01:21:45,850 --> 01:21:43,460
late sly which is out there by the

1744
01:21:48,730 --> 01:21:45,860
doctor with Alice bruger who was a

1745
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:48,740
skeptic and who did the story I really

1746
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:51,440
encourage people to do the work really

1747
01:21:59,080 --> 01:21:53,840
the background work to do the research

1748
01:22:02,170 --> 01:21:59,090
no opinion but research and and then and

1749
01:22:05,500 --> 01:22:02,180
and to read all the material that's out

1750
01:22:07,540 --> 01:22:05,510
there just to read it in whichever form

1751
01:22:10,510 --> 01:22:07,550
they want to read a Kindle or hard books

1752
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:10,520
or whatever because that's the only way

1753
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:11,650
you're going to get to the truth

1754
01:22:20,620 --> 01:22:14,960
Internet has really messed things up in

1755
01:22:23,770 --> 01:22:20,630
you in the UFO field yeah yeah it's it's

1756
01:22:25,689 --> 01:22:23,780
it's difficult you know because

1757
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:25,699
you don't want to be completely

1758
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:27,770
credulous and believe every every little

1759
01:22:33,310 --> 01:22:30,320
thing that's why as you said it's so

1760
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:33,320
important you know don't believe it but

1761
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:35,449
don't also dismiss it out of hand I

1762
01:22:43,060 --> 01:22:40,250
guess this is a good way to look at to

1763
01:22:44,859 --> 01:22:43,070
read the source read colonel courses

1764
01:22:47,379 --> 01:22:44,869
book in other words if you're going to

1765
01:22:49,870 --> 01:22:47,389
get in you're going to get a degree in

1766
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:49,880
anthropology you're not going to just

1767
01:22:54,100 --> 01:22:52,159
read your own book or you're not gonna

1768
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:54,110
read just one book they make you read

1769
01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:56,570
every book they make you do the research

1770
01:23:01,600 --> 01:22:58,010
and you get your degree in anthropology

1771
01:23:03,850 --> 01:23:01,610
Wow and you know what can't we do this

1772
01:23:06,729 --> 01:23:03,860
with you follow you what can we study it

1773
01:23:08,799 --> 01:23:06,739
we need to Paola Paola Harris thank you

1774
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:08,809
so much for joining me the music rolling

1775
01:23:12,609 --> 01:23:11,090
and we've got to go but you got a

1776
01:23:14,379 --> 01:23:12,619
promise that you'll come back again

1777
01:23:17,379 --> 01:23:14,389
sometime because there's so much more to

1778
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:17,389
talk about well thank you so much for

1779
01:23:21,810 --> 01:23:19,520
the invitation thank you thanks

1780
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:21,820
everybody good night